Flat allotments - Still a distant DREAM ?

VOICE of of Dwarka Residents

Rejimon Chathanchirayil to RCS
Sir, May I seek your comments/reply or clearing some of the points answered under RTI application. I hope without filing an apeal or another RTI, this will be ok with you.

1. I found most of the department where recently put up computer are not used for any official purpose nor anyone seems to be trained. I have suggested some time back at least basic data of all society must be computerised. Also an email contact tobe published for respective Zone.
2. There is no circular/notice updated between 28/1/02 to 2006 March http://rcs.delhigovt.nic.in/notice.htm ( From 25/1/07 to 16/3/06) (Fom 1/2/01 to 28/1/2002) 8/11/1983 to 11/2/1999.

2. Our society 965/GH is not in any CBI, however the list nor information is not updated. I understand only 135 odd society is in the Scam list rest are OK, so when will be the data be updated? The list of members inour society shows 101 where as it is 256.

3. Old records may be scanned in PDF using some heavy scan like (CANON DR6080) to put up all records.

4. Common policy RTI answered may be uploaded for public to avoid repeat/duplicate of RTI.

I agree there is work load and too much data. I think if all computers used and take some summer trainees all data could be updated.

Regards,

Rejimon CK

9810315897

On 5/9/07, Registrar Coop. Society <rcoop@nic.in> wrote:

Sir,
The information pertain to computer cell, required vide application no.
2103 dated 10/04/2007 are as follows:

Ans.
19) IInd phase of computerisation has been completed in the year 2006-07
20) Computerisation of RCS office has been approved in the year 2000.
21) No delay.
22) updation of website is the duty of DOEACC, a Govt. autonomous body.
23) RCS office has two staff and six data entry operators.
24) As the CBI investigation is still pending and details of the societies
are yet to be verified, there may be few records are not updated in the
website.
25) Information flow from the zone to the website is a complete cycle for
the updation of website, so no single official is only responsible for
updation incase there is any incorrectness of information.
26) It was a design flaw, sooner it will be rectified.
27) Notices, Orders, Circulars and RTI information are already available
in the website, Generally these information are updated within 2/3 days of
receiving of information from the concern zones.
28) Answer as Sl. No. 24

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Dear All,

HELP PLEASE !!!

Can any one tell me the status of the New Rajput CGHS located in sector 12 (new name is Radison Apt.).
I am not able to find out its status on the website of cooperative socity.

I would appreciate if any one can share the information about it.

Regards
Rajesh

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Can you share the list of the 110 societies cleared by CBI or where can one get this list to check if ones society is been cleared or not.

Pls this information will be vital for a lot of us .

Rajeev

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I am also a member of the Pragatisheel bairwa society, awaiting allottment.

The recent orders and judgements have nothing to do with the societies where
CBI cases are pending.

In fact, I have informations that the list of 110 socieites , cleared by the
CBI, where allottment would be done by the end of the year does not have the
name of Pragatisheel Bairwa.

It appears that the CBI would register cases against the people found guilty
and may be then the Government thinks in terms of allotting flats to the
affected people.

Would suggest that at least we keep on exchanging informations here.

Regards,

Pratik
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I am also a member of the Pragatisheel bairwa society, awaiting allottment.

The recent orders and judgements have nothing to do with the societies where CBI cases are pending.
In fact, I have informations that the list of 110 socieites , cleared by the CBI, where allottment would be done by the end of the year does not have the name of Pragatisheel Bairwa.
It appears that the CBI would register cases against the people found guilty and may be then the Government thinks in terms of allotting flats to the affected people.
Would suggest that at least we keep on exchanging informations here.

Regards,
Pratik

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Dear All
I am a member since 2005 of Pragatisheel Bairwa CGHS sector 11.The
construction is in final stages.Society is under Cbi scan and also cbi
has file a case in aug.
Last time in society meeting,after Delhi Govt.order,I was informed
that every thing has been sorted out.As soon as this order will reach
to registrar office,allotment will be start.It may takes 2-3months
time.
As reading here and there It is difficult to believe this story.Pls
advice me what is the exact position.When can I hope for allotment and
possession of my flat.

Goswami Sharma

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Iam a member of Chinar CGHS sector18 (next to Crescent apartments )since 2003. Iam told that stalemate continues regarding allotment .A ll the information which we receive from our society is "nothing is happenning and registrar is not listening".Enquiry is still going on. I can see lot of people coming together to see our dreams come true with commendable intentions. Does anybody have any information about Chinar CGHS status? What the recent developments and decisions mean in simple layman lingo? Iam sure that other aggrieved members of our society also share my plight and lack of information. I will be greatful to anyone who can apprise us the status. Regards

Ravi Shankar

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Dear Dwarkeits,

A very interesting and important discussion thread is generated herein. A few points I would like to place before this august forum for information.

(a) When the Hon'ble High Court delievered its jusdgment on 2.7.07 in Rajiv Mukhopadhyay case, many people including the various legal professionals advanced their own conflicting interpretations. I had also given my interpretation on the said judgment which is the part of this group archieve and it was also published in Hindustan TImes. Now I am happy that my interpretation is being subsustantiated by the series of judicial veridicts.

(b) What Mr Jayram is suggesting, has aleady been executed by the AOCAM convened by Mr DPS Rajesh. It may be recalled that a relay hunger strike was organised by the AOCAM at Juntar Mantar followed by a series of candle light agitation. As far as stregnth is concerned, it is for us to put our efforts in such causes and make these movements a success.

(c) With respect to the expected action on the part of of judiciary, I humbly disagree with Mr Jayram. I can feel the anguish and pain of victimised members, but at the same time we have to borne in our mind that judiciary is bind by the jducial discipline. It has to act in a defined frame. Kindly appreciate the fact, that the judiciary has given in four consecutive matters a huge relief to the suffering members, i.e, in Rajiv Mukhopadhyay case, in Khattar society case, the Ashadeep, and recently in Sawan case. One may also recall how the Government of India misled the Parliament while answering the unstarred question No- 758 and answered on 17.8.07. Therofore, it is the Government and some agencies with vested interest who are deliberatly trying to twist the cause and to some how linger the matter to provide wrongful gain to some interested bodies/individuals.

(d) I have filed five applications under RTI seeking information on this aspect from RCS as well as DDA and I am sure some concrete would emerge out of it.

(e) We have already planned and chalked out the strategy. We are going to file the Contempt of court petition before the Hon'ble High Court sooner the court opens on 22.10.07. I hope there going to be the end of our pain and suffering very soon.

Regards,

Ashok Chaitanya

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Dear Mr Ravi shankar evn i am a member of the same chinar cghs since
2002 and till date waiting to get the flat...the present status of
chinar is that there is hearing of the case on 21st nov.....and there
is no respite for atleast chinar cghs in the near sight as the
managing committe and the contractors (builders) have been accused by
the CBI of paying Rs 20 lakhs to rcs for revivnng the society and to
top it all some past members who were members of the society
previously(before us) have also filed a claim for those flats that are
already built and that is what the delhi high court is hearing and in
all the cghs cases that are going on it is our chinar cghs that is
being primarily been focused upon even the supreme court had advised
not odered the delhi high court to finish the hearing of the case by
dec 2006 but that has not been possible.... mr ravi shankar please e
mail me so that the status can be discussed with you personally..

Nishant Bahal

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Hi,

I strongly suggest that those hundreds of people affected by non-allotment of flats for no fault of theirs launch a peaceful, indefinite hunger strike in front of the courts or any public place, say a park in Dwarka. Candle-light protest marches etc. would hardly move the judges, who enjoy official accomodation and can afford to take their own time in giving the judgement. Let women and children take the lead in the hunger strike, let them sit in the creeping cold night and day. Every tv channel and newspaper will be there to record their plight. After all, we are living in the era of tv reality shows and they are the best tools to prick the conscience of the judiciary, DDA and the society.

I'm not one of those affected and suggesting this only because I can well understand their plight. To pay house rents and EMI for the loans they have must be a dream turned nightmare.

I believe that the lawyers representing the affected people should argue for the the builders to be made to pay for the losses incurred by those who had joined the societies floated by them in good faith. After all, it is public knowledge that every builder has cornered 10-20 flats in the societies they had floated. The delay by the court in giving the judgement has only made their richer because of the huge appreciation in the prices of the flats.

P. Jayaram

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In matter of Sawan CGHS today i.e. on 12.10.2007 the hon'ble High Court has directed RCS to allot the flats of its three members enrolled in so called violation of rule 24(2) before 14th December 2007.

So far Ashadeep CGHS case is concerned,on 5.10.2007, Hon'ble High court of Delhi pronounced judgement by way of 'Writ of Mandamus' for allotment of flats to 66 members of Ashadeep including 18 members enrolled in so called violation of rule 24(2) before 31.12.2007.

In both cases the judgement dt. 2.7.2007 of Hon'ble Delhi High Court in matter of Rajeev Mukhopadhaya and other vrs RCS (WP No. 1403 -14/2006) is upheld

Please find below the Judgement in the case of Khatter CGHS in which also the judgement dt. 2.7.2007 of Hon'ble Delhi High Court in matter of Rajeev Mukhopadhaya and other vs. RCS (WP No. 1403 -14/2006) is upheld

Please find link to the Order in respect of Khatter CGHS for information and circulation please.

A Subramanyam

9810219596

http://courtnic.nic.in/dhcorder/dhcqrydisp_O.asp?pn=197635&yr=2007

Hi
I am new to this group but have been a looser due to the builder nexus.
I agree with you that we can at least call our selves members of the society
and feel happy mentally.

But can any one who has been following this well let me know what do they
feel about allotment as I find a few issues still due like the CBI case ,
which societies will be cleared out of the 110 and then when will allotment
start to take place

At present we cant see anything happening in reality towards allotment of
any society but yes on paper we feel we are half way there, but there is
always many a slip between the cup and the lip so pls can any one explain
what they feel will happen from here and by when can we expect to stop
paying rent and start living in our own houses. Some how I feel its still
very far away.

Regards

Rajeev

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Hai

I have also heard and read that Govt. of Delhi has passed a resolution to grant one time amnesty to the CGHS who have not committed any serious crime / fraud regarding allotment of land or making members of their respective societies. Their cases may be considered for the allotment of flats. But, as the news appears in papers and also coming through other channels, there is no mention about those societies who are facing CBI enquiries. Even in case of CBI enquiries, only a few members, rather I should say, only Members of the Executive Committees of the respective societies who have committed some frauds or misappropriated funds etc. or made members through some dubious / unfair means, are facing serious charges against them. As such, you can conclude that even in those societies, not moré than 10 % such members are at fault and remaining 90 % members are innocent. In all the info which appears in papers etc., there is no word on allotment of flats in such cases. Have you any info on this issue ? If you have, do share with us that info, for the larger interests of the members. Hoping to hear from you, at the earliest.

R.D. Bhardwaj

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I had filed six contempt of court petitions on behalf of five individual members and one social organisation on 27.10.07 before Hon'ble High Court for the willfull and deliberate defiance of the orders and judgement of Hon'ble High Court by the RCS which were given in the Rajib Mukhopadhyay Case. In the said case the Hon'ble Court had directed the RCS to conduct the draw of lots in case the societies write to him for the same. The court had held in an unambigous terms that though the Rule 24 (2) of the DCS Rules 1973 are intravires but it would not be applicable on existing members (i.e. those members existed on the day of pronouncement of the said judgement dated 02.7.07). We all are aware of the said judgement, thus no point of making here any further deliberation on the same.

The said contempt petitions today came for hearing before the Hon'ble Mr, Justice JM Malik. The Hon'ble court while hearing the arguements on admission, enquired as, "what happened..... the flats were to be allotted within six weeks from the date of receipt of the request letter...... why have the flats been not allotted so far?" The Hon'ble Court was pleased to admit the contempt petition and issued notice to the Respondent Counsel who was present there and asked her to file the reply within four weeks. The Hon'ble Court was further pleased to post the matters for 21 February 2008 for final hearing.

Though, it would not be appropriate for me to comment on the merit of the petitions at the moment as the same are subjudice.......... nonetheless, I sincerely hope that something positive would emerge out of these petitions.

Regards,

Ashok Chaitanya

Advocate

9868512176, 9811638615

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Ahokji, That really a good news.. May I also request these official at RCS are to be held personally responsible for all these losses(Amounting to crores) for CGHS members. The accountability must be sought through the contempt against the officials in my opinion. You better know these things and I am sure all options have exercised.

Only thing that these CP must set example for the authorities in RCS/DDA who play with life earning of middle class.

Any assistance support in this direction, please consider me along with others.

Thanks once again.

Regards,

Rejimon

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Dear Ashokji,

The contempt petitions filed by you in Delhi HC are a step in the right direction and you deserve sincere thanks from all suffering members who are awaiting draw of lots for their physically completed houses since long.

As already confirmed through the recent judgments given by the HC in cases related to Khattar, Ashadeep and Sawan Societies, the judgment dated 2.7.07 clearly stipulated that allotments should be completed within six weeks from date of submission of application by
the concerned Societies. As against that, the fact remains that many Societies who had applied for allotment earlier to 2.7.07 have again applied for allotment after 2.7.07 but to no avail- after lapse of periods longer than 6 weeks. The RCS office is still in deep slumber. As the dates indicated by HC in the above-mentioned cases draw near, we will have to see whether the RCS office finally moves and clears the respective lists for allotment thru DDA.

The other solution in this regard under consideration of Delhi Govt. is one-time exemption to members enrolled after 8.1.03 in violation of Rule 24(2) . Although Delhi cabinet approved the draft Bill on 24.9.07, the next step i.e. filing of an affidavit in Delhi HC regarding the proposed move is also held-up in RCS office. When some 10-12 members including me met Delhi CM, Ms. Sheila Dixit at her residence on 24.10.07, she did talk to RCS who assured that the affidavit would be filed in HC within a week. We have to wait and see. After the affidavit is filed, it
required acceptance by HC for bringing-out a notification by Delhi Govt. to actually grant one-time exemption to affected members/ Societies.

One thing which I fail to understand in your contempt petitions is that while the hon'ble court has granted only 4 weeks' time to RCS for filing their reply, they have kept the next date 4-months later! I totally understand your reservations about not commenting on a
sub-judice matter but if the hon'ble court does understand the gravity of the situation where some 15000-20000 middle-class families are getting crushed under the triple burden of EMI for housing loan, rent for their present accommodation and maintenance of physically completed but uninhabited Society's houses, why earlier dates are not given for speedy disposal? I
would earnestly request you to impress this fact upon the hon'ble court.

Thanking you again for the great job done by you,

Rajendra Goel
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Well done Ahsok ji. Every one kept on blaming the previous RCS for his attitude.The present Registrar also has been passing time and has done nothing.Let us hope these contempt petitions jolt them out of their deep slumber and they take action at least now. We must also examine who will compensate the innocent members for financial loss, mental agony etc, due to delay in draws.

Vinod kr. Sharma
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Well done Ashok ji for your initiative in taking up these petitions on behalf of members who are suffering and incurring loss on acct of the lethargy of the RCS. This is an example of using one's talent and qualifications in the broader interest of the dwarak public.

Once again, we appreciate your initiative and support you in your efforts.

rgds/pradeep k. ivon

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Dear Friends,

In order to built on more pressure on RCS for faster functioning/ allotment of our flats, we need to file more such contempt from other societies who have already submitted their papers with RCS for draw of lots.

So, please do come forward and meet AOCAM office, rather than being just a spectator.

You may contact Mr Delip Kr 9818969908 for this.

Regards...........bakshi, a.k.

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What is the status of allotment of Co-operative Group Housing Societies
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RAJAN

Sir, I am a member of Navnirman GHS , sector 2, Dwarka. Construction is complete however we are not getting the possession of our flat as Registrar is not getting the draw of house done . I want to know how long will it take to get the possession or are we going to the possession of our flat. Thanks
Subhendra

I am planning to buy a flat in dwarka and heard that some societies are not recognized. Could you please provide the list of the CGHS which are defaulters?
Vishal Mangla

Any information on the development of CBI investigating on various societies. When is lilkely the report to be submitted. Which are the societies being cleared so far by CBI and balance lkely to be cleared. Is Saptaparni CGHS in Sector 19B cleared by CBI.

Yogesh juneja

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